Teoria Evoluţionistă se desfiinţează

[t4ilgunn3r]

În prealabil postat de catalin2

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Asa ca informeaza-te inainte sa raspunzi nervos.

Un link de pe acelasi site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Citate de acolo:

Not the only woman
Not a fixed individual over time
Not the most recent ancestor shared by all humans

in concluzie:

Not the biblical Eve

Owing to its figurative reference to the first woman in the Biblical Book of Genesis, the Mitochondrial Eve theory initially met with enthusiastic endorsement from some young earth creationists, who viewed the theory as a validation of the biblical creation story. Some even went so far as to claim that the Mitochondrial Eve theory disproved evolution.[37][38][39] However, the theory does not suggest any relation between biblical Eve and Mitochondrial Eve because Mitochondrial Eve:

is not a fixed individual
had a mother
was not the only woman of her time, and
Y-chromosomal Adam is unlikely to have been her sexual partner, or indeed to have been contemporaneous to her.

În prealabil postat de catalin2

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Apoi spui ca EVa nu e un individ anume, dar ce e robot? Nici macar tu cred ca nu stii ce ai vrut sa spui aici.

Asta dovedeste ca nu ai inteles nici macar definitia. In functie de ce se intampla acum, in prezent, cu liniile genetice pe linie feminina, Eva "migreaza" spre alta persoana.
"The definition of mitochondrial Eve is fixed, but the person in prehistory who will fit this definition can change, not only because of new discoveries, but also because of unbroken mother-daughter lines coming to an end by chance. It follows from the definition of Mitochondrial Eve that she had at least two daughters who both have unbroken female lineages that have survived to the present day. In every generation mitochondrial lineages end – when a woman with unique mtDNA dies with no daughters. When the mitochondrial lineages of daughters of mitochondrial Eve die out, then the title of "Mitochondrial Eve" shifts forward from the remaining daughter through her matrilineal descendants, until the first descendant is reached who had at least two daughters who both have living, matrilineal descendants. Once a lineage has died out it is irretrievably lost and this mechanism can thus only shift the title of "Mitochondrial Eve" forward in time."

Inca astept sa aflu in ce sens confirma toate astea Facerea, inafara de potrivirea de nume.

[iuliu46]

În prealabil postat de t4ilgunn3r

Un link de pe acelasi site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Citate de acolo:

Not the only woman
Not a fixed individual over time
Not the most recent ancestor shared by all humans

in concluzie:

Not the biblical Eve

Owing to its figurative reference to the first woman in the Biblical Book of Genesis, the Mitochondrial Eve theory initially met with enthusiastic endorsement from some young earth creationists, who viewed the theory as a validation of the biblical creation story. Some even went so far as to claim that the Mitochondrial Eve theory disproved evolution.[37][38][39] However, the theory does not suggest any relation between biblical Eve and Mitochondrial Eve because Mitochondrial Eve:

is not a fixed individual
had a mother
was not the only woman of her time, and
Y-chromosomal Adam is unlikely to have been her sexual partner, or indeed to have been contemporaneous to her.

Asta dovedeste ca nu ai inteles nici macar definitia. In functie de ce se intampla acum, in prezent, cu liniile genetice pe linie feminina, Eva "migreaza" spre alta persoana.
"The definition of mitochondrial Eve is fixed, but the person in prehistory who will fit this definition can change, not only because of new discoveries, but also because of unbroken mother-daughter lines coming to an end by chance. It follows from the definition of Mitochondrial Eve that she had at least two daughters who both have unbroken female lineages that have survived to the present day. In every generation mitochondrial lineages end – when a woman with unique mtDNA dies with no daughters. When the mitochondrial lineages of daughters of mitochondrial Eve die out, then the title of "Mitochondrial Eve" shifts forward from the remaining daughter through her matrilineal descendants, until the first descendant is reached who had at least two daughters who both have living, matrilineal descendants. Once a lineage has died out it is irretrievably lost and this mechanism can thus only shift the title of "Mitochondrial Eve" forward in time."

Inca astept sa aflu in ce sens confirma toate astea Facerea, inafara de potrivirea de nume.

Stai ca nu inteleg. Prima data, cica nu-i fixata, adica probabil nu stim daca o chema Eva sau Mona.
Pe urma cica a avut o mama. Dovada ?
Nu a fost singura femeie din timpul ala. Dovada ?
Este foarte putin probabil. - "uneori si cele mai putin probabile lucruri se pot petrece" - R. Dawkins.

Apoi sa presupunem ca Eva asta a avut doua fete, ambele au avut 2 fete, ambele au avut 2 fete si de aici incolo doar una din fete a avut fete si restul baieti. Adica ei spun ca dupa un timp altcineva o sa ia rolul Evei, si probabil creationistii o sa zica iar ca se confirma Facerea.
Dar cine ne spune ca a existat altcineva inainte de Eva asta despre care vorbim acum ?

Sunt doar niste intrebari. Pe mine nu ma intereseaza ce zic aia, am vrut doar sa-i arat colegului tau de talkorigins ca nu e vorba de milioane sau miliarde de ani nici macar acolo pentru a explica diversitatea de azi.

[catalin2]

În prealabil postat de t4ilgunn3r

Un link de pe acelasi site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
Citate de acolo:
Not the only woman
Not a fixed individual over time
Not the most recent ancestor shared by all humans
in concluzie:
Not the biblical Eve
is not a fixed individual
had a mother
was not the only woman of her time, and
Y-chromosomal Adam is unlikely to have been her sexual partner, or indeed to have been contemporaneous to her.[/i]
Asta dovedeste ca nu ai inteles nici macar definitia. In functie de ce se intampla acum, in prezent, cu liniile genetice pe linie feminina, Eva "migreaza" spre alta persoana.

Eu stiu ce scrie acolo, dar tu n-ai inteles, interpretarea ta e chiar hazlie. Era suficient sa citesti doar prima fraza:
"the name Mitochondrial Eve refers to the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living anatomically modern humans. This is the most recent woman from whom all living humans today descend, on their mother’s side, and through the mothers of those mothers, and so on, back until all lines converge on one person."
Ce ai scris tu acolo se refera la altceva, nu ca Eva e mai multe persoane. Practic nu ai inteles aproape nimic din link.
Iar faptul ca ei spun ca nu era singura femeie din acele timpuri si ca avea si o mama am explicat in mesajul precedent, catre colegul nostru. E firesc sa afirme asta, ca doar n-o sa spuna ca a fost creata si n-a avut din cine sa se nasca. Dar astea sunt doar speculatii.
Asadar, pe scurt, Eva mitocondriala este o femeie care se considera ca e stramoasa pe linie materna a tuturor oamenilor care traiesc azi pe pamant. Asta e demostrat stiintific, restul sunt povesti. Nu migreaza Eva, ci stabilirea filiatiei se face de la mama la fiica, despre "migratia" asta e vorba. Nu e fixata insemna ca nu se stie exact cine este, nu ca are mai multe personalitati si trupuri.
Sper sa treci peste si sa intelegi despre ce e vorba.