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[JoyDivision]

În prealabil postat de osutafaraunu

Corect. "Ce" şi "cine" va arde. Asta voiaţi să întrebaţi?

da, deci haideti sa aducem discutia pe un fagas potrivit.

altfel nu are sens acest forum, daca se discuta despre orice, oriunde.

[MihaiG]

În prealabil postat de barzilai

Argumente? Sunt 10 sau 11 caracteristici ale fiarei, prezentate in Sfanta Scriptura. Aratati cum se potrivesc imparatului Nero.

This interpretation holds that Nero, who was possibly the emperor at the time John was writing the book,[23] is the sixth king, "who is". The five kings who have fallen are seen as Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius, and Galba is the one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while". (Rev. 17:10). Moreover, Rome was known in antiquity as the city of seven hills (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:9) and Revelation was a warning about events that were "shortly" to take place (Rev. 1:1).

In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[24] In verse 4, the Beast is worshiped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.

Revelation 13:7 speaks of the power given to the beast to make war with the saints. Nero was the first of the imperial authorities to persecute Christianity. Tacitus records the scene in Rome when the persecution of Christians (or Chrestians[25]) broke out: "And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night".[26]

Revelation 13:5 says the beast would continue for 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months. Nero was even called the Beast. Apollonius of Tyana specifically states that Nero was called a 'beast': "In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen man, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. ... And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet".[26]

The manner of Nero’s death corresponds with the prophecy of Revelation 13: 10 : "If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if any one kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed". According to Tertullian, Nero was the first to assail the Christian sect with the imperial sword. He committed suicide by the sword at the age of 30.

After Nero's death in 68 AD, Rome saw a succession of short-lived emperors (Galba, Otho and Vitellius) and a year of civil wars until Vespasian eventually took control in 69 AD. The Roman Empire destabilized so greatly that Tacitus reported: "Many believed the end of the empire was at hand" (Histories 4: 5:4) According to Suetonius, to the surprise of the world, "the empire which for a long time had been unsettled and, as it were, drifting through the usurpation and violent death of three emperors, was at last taken in and given stability by the Flavian family" (Vespasian 1: 1). This may be a reference to the mortal wound on one of the heads of the Beast "inflicted by the sword" which was later healed (Rev. 13:3, Rev. 13: 14).[27] Scholar Daniel K. Wong wrote that the "healing of the wound" alludes to the so-called Nero Redivivus Legend or the "revival of Nero” myth. A rumor that Nero had just disappeared to Parthia and would one day reappear[28]

Finally, the readers of Revelation were told to "calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev. 13:18). John did not expect that his readers "who had understanding" to have any difficulty identifying the beast, since they could simply calculate the meaning of this number. "Neron Kaisar" (the Greek rendering, documented by archaeological finds), when transliterated into Hebrew נרון קסר (Nrwn Qsr) had a number of 666. The variant number 616 found in some manuscripts of the Greek text of Revelation may represent the alternative Hebrew spelling נרו קסר (Nrw Qsr) based on the Latin form "Nero Caesar". The variant probably existed to keep consistent the meaning of Nero as the Beast.[29]

În prealabil postat de osutafaraunu

Dacă ar avea relevanţă, ar merge cu adevărat Sola Scriptura şi la tine. Am spus Sola [întreaga]Scriptura, nu Sola versetul. Cu atât mai puţin Sola Traditionem.

Totusi prezinta versetele (sa nu folosesc versetul ca nu iti place) care arata ca pana la Moise era tinut sabatul. Altfel nu are rost sa prelugim discutia.

[catalin2]

În prealabil postat de barzilai

Despre falsurile grosolane din versiunea Bartolomeu Anania (din care ati postat dvs.) s-a discutat destul. Nu are rost sa redeschidem discutia.

Din cauza asta ai fost banat si cand ai avut nick-ul Grasu, probabil tot de la asta o sa ti se traga si de data asta. Daca nu ma insel intre timp ai mai avut nick-ul Uscatul, o sa faci intrecere cu osuta cine aduna mai multe banari.
Nu, aceea e o traducere gresita pentru ca nu spune ce vrei vor adventistii sa auda, dar tot ce spun adventistii sunt doar minciuni si noi nu ne mai oripilam atat. Absolut tot ce spuneti sunt doar minciuni, ma refer la ceea ce e diferit de ortodoxie. Pentru noi adevarul intreg este in ortodoxie, tot ce e diferit e neadevar, adica minciuni.
Ca sa arati ca nu e asa arata ce spune Dumnezeu, ce dovezi va da ca adevarul e la adventisti. Cum nu aveti nicio minune, spuneti doar o filozofie, ca proorocii falsi din timpul sfantului Ilie. Probabil mai bine cautati un forum despre filozofie, nu despre religie.

[ioanna]

În prealabil postat de catalin2

Din cauza asta ai fost banat si cand ai avut nick-ul Grasu, probabil tot de la asta o sa ti se traga si de data asta. Daca nu ma insel intre timp ai mai avut nick-ul Uscatul, o sa faci intrecere cu osuta cine aduna mai multe banari.
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Ar fi putut sa spuna ca versiunea agreata de adventisti e mai fidela originalului, daca asa considera, dar sa vina pe un forum ortodox sa arunce vorbe mizerabile, afirmand ca IPS Bartolomeu Anania a lucrat pentru diavol e inadmisibil. Ca sa nu spun ca vorbeste prostii: cum sa falsifice cineva Sfanta Scriptura? A modificat cineva originalul sau ce? Nu-i convine lui traducerea ortodoxa a Scripturii, sa-i fie de bine, are de unde sa aleaga, doar exista mai multe versiuni.

Ioanna, Catalin, Mihai nu v-ati saturat de mucari? Aduceti-va mereu aminte ce spunea parintele Arsenie Boca si parintele Cleopa de ei. Ignorati-i.

[ioanna]

În prealabil postat de Adriana Cluj

Ioanna, Catalin, Mihai nu v-ati saturat de mucari? Aduceti-va mereu aminte ce spunea parintele Arsenie Boca si parintele Cleopa de ei. Ignorati-i.

Intodeauna acele cuvinte ale parintelui Cleopa mi s-au parut foarte aspre, insa vazand comportamentul lor, realizezi ca a avut dreptate.

În prealabil postat de ioanna

Intodeauna cuvintele parintelui Cleopa mi s-au parut foarte dure, insa vazand comportamentul lor, realizezi ca a avut dreptate.

Pai ignorati-i, e o lupta cu mori de vant...din pacate.

[barzilai]

În prealabil postat de Adriana Cluj

Ioanna, Catalin, Mihai nu v-ati saturat de mucari?

"Vã spun cã, în ziua judecãtii, oamenii vor da socotealã de orice cuvînt nefolositor, pe care-l vor fi rostit. Cãci din cuvintele tale vei fi scos fãrã vinã, si din cuvintele tale vei fi osîndit." (Matei 12:36,37).

Aveti grija la cuvinte, caci va jucati cu focul (iadului).

[barzilai]

În prealabil postat de ioanna

Intodeauna acele cuvinte ale parintelui Cleopa mi s-au parut foarte aspre, insa vazand comportamentul lor, realizezi ca a avut dreptate.

Despre ce comportament vorbiti? Despre faptul ca nu agreez falsurile indubitabile (faceti comparatie cu alte traduceri ortodoxe) care sunt fluturate insistent pe acest forum?

De ce nu va luati de userul "nutucutu", care a readus pe tapet, in mod intentionat (caci avea la dispozitie si traducerea catolica) acele versete traduse total eronat (cu adaugiri cu schimbari grosolane de inteles)?

P.S. Un sfat: ascultati de Domnul Iisus Hristos nu de oameni, care sunt plini de patimi. Nu-i copiati pe ei; copiati-L pe EL.