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("Pe cine? Nu spui tzine.. persoana insemnata". Spiritul lui Caragiale este viu.) Revenind on topic, am gasit cartea lui Jacques Vallee despre care am spus in alta postare. Jaques Vallee este un ufolog care a cercetat problema cu toata seriozitatea. Este de profesie astrofizician, are doctorat in computer science, a lucrat in domerniujl inteligentei artificiale si este considerat unul dintre cei mai mari experti in ufologie. Ce vreau eu sa subliniez este ca fiind un om onest, concluziile la care a ajuns sunt cam cum urmeaza: "[An] impressive parallel [can] be made between UFO occupants and the popular conceptions of demons." "[UFOs can] project images or fabricated scenes designed to change our belief systems." "...human belief... is being controlled and conditioned," "man's concepts are being rearranged," and we may be headed toward "a massive change of human attitudes toward paranormal abilities and extraterrestrial life." O paralela impresionanta poate fi facuta intre ocupantii ozn-urilor si conceptia populara despre demoni. ozn-urile pot proiecta imagini sau scene fabricate cu scopul de a schimba sistemul nostru de convingeri.. etc.. (iertare, nu prea am timp de traducere, deja am pierdut mult timp cautand materialele lui Vallee) ... apropo.. J. Vallee sustine ca fenomenele de la Fatima si Lourds seamana/ sunt de provenienta ozn-istica in esenta. (adica draceasca, spunem noi, ca el nu este crestin si are alt limbaj). "The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical or biological framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks." Examinarea medicala la care au fost supusi cei rapiti, adesea insotita de manipulare sexuala sadica, evoca povestile medievale ale intalnirilor cu demoni. Nu este logica intr-un cadru tehnic/biologic sofisticat: orice fiinta inteligenta echipata cu minunatiile stiintifice pe care le poseda ozn-ul ar putea sa atinga aceste presupuse obiective stiintifice in timp mai scurt si cu mai putine riscuri. "...the symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiations ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture."65 Thus, "the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals." etc... |
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Cartea in care J. Vallee critica experientele oznistice (este f scurta, usor de citit... de fapt eu cred ca este doar rezumatul ei, nu cartea intreaga):
http://www.jacquesvallee.net/bookdocs/arguments.pdf |
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Este rusinos pentru un ortodox practicant sa sustina existenta extraterestrilor cand cei din biserici evangheliste/ protestante etc... au ajuns singuri la concluzia ca sunt fenomene demonice!!!
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/aliens.html |
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“Many UFO reports, he said, seem to pertain more to accounts of 'poltergeists' (cases where objects fly around the room and strange sounds are heard) and other types of 'psychic' manifestations than to 'actual solid items of nuts and bolts hardware.' 'That is one of the reasons,' added Dr. Hynek, 'why I cannot accept the obvious explanation of UFOs as visitors from outer space.'”
- J. Allen Hynek interview, The Unexplained Column, by Allen Spraggett, November 8, 1975 “Drawing from what we know can happen in seances and poltergeist activity, it seems that these supernatural forces can manipulate matter and energy, extracting energy from the atmosphere, for example (which manifests as a local temperature change), to manipulate matter and produce an apparent violation of the second law {of thermodynamics}, and I guess my feeling is that on a larger scale this is what a UFO could be. I'm not saying that I know what it is, but only that it could be. It seems to me likely that UFOs are large-scale violations of the second law in which energy is arranged to take on enough of a force field appearance so that it appears to look like matter, yet it's really just energy concentration – it's not really matter in the usual sense. ... Demons, as fallen angels, apparently retain great powers, such as the manipulation and restructuring of matter, as well as the ability to influence or control human consciousness and experience through classic possession by direct psychic implantation of a set of experiences.” - Dr. Curt Wagner Ph.D., SCP Journal, August 1977, Vol.1 No.2, UFOs – Is Science Fiction Coming True? pp. 19, 20 am pierdut deja doua ore cautand materiale despre subiect in conditiile in care eu NU am nevoie de aceste lamuriri (ce a spus parintele Cleopa este mai mult decat destul pt mine). Sper din toata inima ca le veti citi si veti deschide ochii, ca nu este de glumit si nu este normal sa acceptam fara critica toate aberatiile si tot gunoiul varsat in mintea noastra de catre mass media! Last edited by anna21; 05.10.2010 at 23:04:57. |
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Cand vom ajunge la masura parintelui, atat teologica, cat si ca om de o vasta cultura, poate ca vom depasi explicatiile usoare de genul "extraterestrii sunt doar iluzii". Evident ca demonii pot lua forme inselatoare de tot felul (cum ar fi in cazul parintelui Cleopa), facandu-ne farse, insa asta nu e un argument ca nu exista viata in Univers in afara de noi.
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Fac un rezumat al mesajelor mele de ieri Cei care au cercetat ani intregi fenomenul ozn (cum este j.Vallee si allen Hynek, astronomi pe care i-am citat) au ajuns la concluzia ca aceste manifestari NU POT FI DESPARTITE DE MANIFESTARI OCULTE de tip demonic sau poltergeist deoarece prezinta multe caracteristici comune cu aceastea si pot fi studiate eficient doar din aceasta perspectiva (oiculta, demonica, adica). Sper ca acum nu mai exista confuzii. In plus, acesti astronomi (si altii) au ajuns la concluzia ca atunci cand un om vede un asa zis ozn pe cer.. ei bine, acela NU este materie! Cica nu ar avea cum deoarece de obicei aceste aratari sfideaza legile de baza ale fizicii. |
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