Vorbirea in limbi la penticostali...

[Jane Says]

Samarin found that glossolalic speech does resemble human language in some respects. The speaker uses accent, rhythm, intonation and pauses to break up the speech into distinct units. Each unit is itself made up of syllables, the syllables being formed from consonants and vowels taken from a language known to the speaker.

It is verbal behavior that consists of using a certain number of consonants and vowels[...]in a limited number of syllables that in turn are organized into larger units that are taken apart and rearranged pseudogrammatically[...]with variations in pitch, volume, speed and intensity.[4]

[Glossolalia] consists of strings of syllables, made up of sounds taken from all those that the speaker knows, put together more or less haphazardly but emerging nevertheless as word-like and sentence-like units because of realistic, language-like rhythm and melody.[5]


On the basis of his linguistic analysis, Samarin defined Pentecostal glossolalia as "meaningless but phonologically structured human utterance, believed by the speaker to be a real language but bearing no systematic resemblance to any natural language, living or dead".[8]

Pacat ca s-au dus pe pustii aliniatele in postul asta:)

Felicitas Goodman, a psychological anthropologist and linguist, studied a number of Pentecostal communities in the United States, Caribbean and Mexico; these included English, Spanish and Mayan speaking groups. She compared what she found with recordings of non-Christian rituals from Africa, Borneo, Indonesia and Japan. She took into account both the segmental structure (such as sounds, syllables, phrases) and the supra-segmental elements (rhythm, accent, intonation), and concluded that there was no distinction between what was practiced by the Pentecostal Protestants and the followers of other religions.[9]

In 2006, the brains of a group of individuals were scanned while they were speaking in tongues. Activity in the language centers of the brain decreased, while activity in the emotional centers of the brain increased. Activity in the area of control decreased, which corresponds with the reported experience of loss of control. There were no changes in any language areas, suggesting that glossolalia is not associated with usual language function.[10][11][12] Other brain wave studies have also found that brain activity alters in glossolalia.[13]

Some kind of hypnosis or trance has often been suggested as the explanation for glossolalia. Much glossolalia takes place in heightened states, whether in Pentecostal Christian or non-Christian contexts.[9]


A New Zealand researcher, Heather Kavan,[18] found that whether a person experienced trance or hypnosis depended on the type of group with which they were affiliated. Kavan found that most New Zealand Pentecostals and Charismatics did not experience trance except during the baptism of the spirit. However, meditators in a yoga-based purification group experienced frequent intense trances, of which glossolalia was an occasional manifestation. Kavan suggested that there are two types of glossolalia– spontaneous and context-dependent– and the former is more likely to occur in groups that are radical, experiential and charismatically led.

Our findings that glossolalia can be easily learned through direct instruction, along with demonstrations that tongue speakers can initiate and terminate glossolalia upon request and can exhibit glossolalia in the absence of any indexes of trance[…] support the hypothesis that glossolalia utterances are goal-directed actions rather than involuntary happenings.[20]

That glossolalia can be learned is also seen in the traces left behind by teachers. An investigation by the Lutheran Medical Center in Brooklyn showed that the influence of a particular leader can shape a group's glossolalia: where certain prominent glossolalists had visited, whole groups of glossolalists would speak in his style of speech.[21]

Eu as fi foarte atenta cu chestia asta. Si daca ziceti ca e dar al Duhului, atunci de ce au parte de el si paganii in ritualurile lor?

[Doriana]

În prealabil postat de Jane Says

Si daca ziceti ca e dar al Duhului, atunci de ce au parte de el si paganii in ritualurile lor?

Satan este un imitator prin excelenta. Nefiind in stare sa creeze ceva imita darurile lui Dumnezeu ca sa semene confuzie. Si paganii au dragoste, sunt oameni morali [chiar tu spuneai asta]. Dumnezeu are prooroci, satan are clarvazatori. Dumnezeu vindeca, vindeca si satan [decat ca el pune stapanire pe sufletul omului pe care il vindeca, spre deosebire de Dumnezeu care da totul gratis]. Dumnezeu face minuni, face si satan. Si scopul lui e tocmai sa insele omul sa vina la el, sau macar sa respinga lucrarile lui Dumnezeu de frica sa nu fie inselat.

E drept ca in ziua de azi sunt mai mult imitatii decat daruri reale. Dar omul care il cauta pe Dumnezeu sincer si cu toata inima nu va fi inselat.

[AndruscaCIM]

În prealabil postat de Doriana

Satan este un imitator prin excelenta. Nefiind in stare sa creeze ceva imita darurile lui Dumnezeu ca sa semene confuzie. Si paganii au dragoste, sunt oameni morali [chiar tu spuneai asta]. Dumnezeu are prooroci, satan are clarvazatori. Dumnezeu vindeca, vindeca si satan [decat ca el pune stapanire pe sufletul omului pe care il vindeca, spre deosebire de Dumnezeu care da totul gratis]. Dumnezeu face minuni, face si satan. Si scopul lui e tocmai sa insele omul sa vina la el, sau macar sa respinga lucrarile lui Dumnezeu de frica sa nu fie inselat.

E drept ca in ziua de azi sunt mai mult imitatii decat daruri reale. Dar omul care il cauta pe Dumnezeu sincer si cu toata inima nu va fi inselat.

Numai el, adica oamenii nu pot ajunge sa faca ceva...inspirati fiind de el, si sa nu mai poata vedea diferenta? Adica oamenii sa fie imitatori ai lui Satan?

Poti detalia putin aceasta afirmatie " Dumnezeu are prooroci, satan are clarvazatori"?

[Jane Says]

În prealabil postat de Doriana

E drept ca in ziua de azi sunt mai mult imitatii decat daruri reale. Dar omul care il cauta pe Dumnezeu sincer si cu toata inima nu va fi inselat.

Doriana, eu recunosc ca am un interes clinic in povestea asta.
Cand se pogoara duhul, te poseda sau mai ai control asupra propriei persoane?

[Doriana]

În prealabil postat de Jane Says

Doriana, eu recunosc ca am un interes clinic in povestea asta.
Cand se pogoara duhul, te poseda sau mai ai control asupra propriei persoane?

Numai duhurile demonice poseda omul. Duhul Sfant nu forteaza niciodata omul sa faca ceva. Ii da doar un indemn launtric, invatandu-l cum sa se roage. Omul asculta doar daca vrea. Se roaga cand vrea, se opreste cand vrea. Si, crede-ma, nu se compara Duhul Sfant cu un oarecare duh. E Dumnezeu, Cel pe care Il iubim si adoram si caruia ne-am consacrat viata, ca si crestini. Nu-L poti confunda decat daca umbli dupa senzational si puteri paranormale. E o diferenta imensa. De fapt e chiar jenant sa-L comparam cu alte duhuri, Dumnezeu sa ma ierte.

[AndruscaCIM]

În prealabil postat de Doriana

Numai duhurile demonice poseda omul. Duhul Sfant nu forteaza niciodata omul sa faca ceva. Ii da doar un indemn launtric, invatandu-l cum sa se roage. Omul asculta doar daca vrea. Se roaga cand vrea, se opreste cand vrea. Si, crede-ma, nu se compara Duhul Sfant cu un oarecare duh. E Dumnezeu, Cel pe care Il iubim si adoram si caruia ne-am consacrat viata, ca si crestini. Nu-L poti confunda decat daca umbli dupa senzational si puteri paranormale. E o diferenta imensa. De fapt e chiar jenant sa-L comparam cu alte duhuri, Dumnezeu sa ma ierte.

Ai spus ca in momentul in care s-a coborat Duhul Sfant asupra ta, nu mai tii minte exact ce spuneai, deci ca nu erai perfect constienta de ceea ce se intampla cu tine...si atunci cum ai luat decizia sa te opresti din acea stare?

Cat timp tine o astfel de rugaciune?

[Doriana]

În prealabil postat de Jane Says

Isi pierd controlul volitional in timpul acelei experiente. Am citat o singura sursa dar sunt mai multe pe aceeasi tema, alterari ale functiei cerebrale in lobul frontal.

In eventualitatea in care cel ce a scris articolul este obiectiv si sincer [am vazut pastori de la care aveam pretentii aruncand cu noroi fara fundament] , cazul relatat e posesiune demonica. Depinde pe cine a studiat si cat de sincer e. dar mai toti sunt pusi pe discreditat. E de inteles, data fiind avalansa de imitatii...

În prealabil postat de AndruscaCIM

Ai spus ca in momentul in care s-a coborat Duhul Sfant asupra ta, nu mai tii minte exact ce spuneai, deci ca nu erai perfect constienta de ceea ce se intampla cu tine...si atunci cum ai luat decizia sa te opresti din acea stare?

Cat timp tine o astfel de rugaciune?

Nu mai tin minte pentru ca au trecut vreo 13 ani, nu ca nu eram constienta. Eram perfect constienta . Tine cat vreau eu, nici mai mult nici mai putin.

[Jane Says]

În prealabil postat de Doriana

Numai duhurile demonice poseda omul. Duhul Sfant nu forteaza niciodata omul sa faca ceva.

Bine.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine have discovered decreased activity in the frontal lobes, an area of the brain associated with being in control of one's self. This pioneering study, involving functional imaging of the brain while subjects were speaking in tongues, is in the November issue of Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging...

the authors related the frontal rCBF decreases to the loss of volitional control that is experienced while speaking in tongues.

Isi pierd controlul volitional in timpul acelei experiente. Am citat o singura sursa dar sunt mai multe pe aceeasi tema, alterari ale functiei cerebrale in lobul frontal.

[Jane Says]

Iata si -un studiu comparativ:

And it seems to matter little to whom or what that religious activity is directed toward, for Newberg found similar brain activity in the brains of praying nuns. Though the nuns were praying to God, rather than meditating like the monks, they showed increased activity in the frontal lobe as they began focusing their minds. There was also a decrease of activity in the parietal lobe, seemingly indicating that the nuns lost their sense of self in relation to the real world and were able to achieve communion with God [source: Paulson].


There were, however, slight differences in the brain activity of one religious group: Pentecostal Christians who speak in tongues. The Pentecostals actually experienced a decrease in frontal lobe activity; instead of focusing their attention as the nuns and monks did, they paid less attention to the task at hand [source: Carey]. Even though they spoke in tongues, the language center of the brain wasn't activated [source: Paulson].

Pe mine ma pune pe ganduri chestia asta si nu doar dpdv medical.

[Doriana]

În prealabil postat de AndruscaCIM

Poti detalia putin aceasta afirmatie " Dumnezeu are prooroci, satan are clarvazatori"?

Pai, din dorinta de a imita proorocii care vad in viitor, satan a scos clarvazatorii, care vad foarte bine in viitor dar cu puterea celui rau. Acum isi zic si ei profeti, Iisusi, dar omul cu discernamant ii deosebeste.