Spuneti NU vaccinurilor-VACCINAREA: EROAREA MEDICALA A SECOLULUI

[FlaviusM]

În prealabil postat de antiecumenism

-ce sa va fac eu daca voi vreti sa credeti in continuare in minciuna partidului,a lui BIG BROTHER,BIG PHARMA....
-mai schimbati si voi placa ,adica cd-ul,scoateti stickul din pc,sau v-au cipuit astia? ca de vreo suta de ani se tot raspandeste ideea despre beneficiile nemaipomenite ale vaccinurilor si cate boli grave au fost eradicate,dar nu zic nimic despre cat de mult s-au imbogatit unii sau despre eradicarea populatiei

Daca ai timp, poate esti interesat sa citesti articolele despre vaccinare de la urmatorul link:

http://insulaindoielii.wordpress.com...8/antivaccin8/

Este o prezentare pe intelesul tuturor si e posibil sa intelegi greselile pe care la faci.

[antiecumenism]

În prealabil postat de FlaviusM

Daca ai timp, poate esti interesat sa citesti articolele despre vaccinare de la urmatorul link:

http://insulaindoielii.wordpress.com...8/antivaccin8/

Este o prezentare pe intelesul tuturor si e posibil sa intelegi greselile pe care la faci.

-e o porcarie de articol ,am citit carti despre pericolele vaccinarii scrise de medici (dr Todea Gross) sau articole scrise de alti medici...
-oricum care sunt greselile pe care le fac eu?
-despre greselile pe care le fac producatorii de vaccinuri introducand in vaccin aluminiu ,mercur si alte porcarii nu zici nimic?
-despre faptul ca au fost infestati copii cu hiv/sida prin vaccinare nu zici nimic...

[FlaviusM]

În prealabil postat de antiecumenism

-e o porcarie de articol ,am citit carti despre pericolele vaccinarii scrise de medici (dr Todea Gross) sau articole scrise de alti medici...

Daca ai fi deschis macar linkul pe care ti l-am recomandat, ai fi vazut ca nu e vorba de un singur articol, ci de o serie de 8 in care sunt explicate foarte clar greselile pe care le fac activistii anti-vaccin.

Despre problema cu mercurul, aluminiul si celelalte substante, din ce am vazut eu pe acest topic, ti s-a explicat in mod repetat cum sta treaba. E strict problema ta daca tu refuzi sa te informezi corespunzator sau macar sa citesti replicile de pe forum care nu-ti plac.

[bogdan81]

Antiecumenism, iata de fapt ce a zis Bill Gates iar tu si alti conspirationisti ati scos din context

http://skeptimommy.hubpages.com/hub/...-Your-Children

[bogdan81]

Si poate va intra si voua in cap ca a fi crestin ortodox NU inseamna nici a fi obcurantist, nici conspirationist, nici a umbla cu prostii si chestii neserioase de felul asta.

[AlinB]

În prealabil postat de bogdan81

Antiecumenism, iata de fapt ce a zis Bill Gates iar tu si alti conspirationisti ati scos din context

http://skeptimommy.hubpages.com/hub/...-Your-Children

Sau pe scurt, ca geniul nostru antivaccinist nu cred ca pricepe engleza: cu cat oamenii au un trai mai bun, adica, mortalitate infantila mai mica, servicii medicale mai bune, servicii sociale, cu atat fac mai putini copii.
Altfel, fac cat mai multi pentru ca stiu ca vor supravietui foarte putini.
Ca sa nu mai vorbim de cazurile in care pur si simplu e nevoie de mana de munca si suport la batranete.

De altfel "geniul" nostru ar fi putut afla asta citind "cutremuratorul" NATIONAL SECURITY MEMORANDUM 200 din 1974 despre care a postat aici balivernele culese de pe canalele lui de dezinformare, si despre care l-am interpelat deja, fara raspuns, logic:

În prealabil postat de AlinB

Foarte interesant.
Acum spune-mi si mie, daca te-ai obosit sa citesti documentul in cauza, unde scrie despre vaccinare sau imbolnavire (intentionata?).

Eu am dat o cautare dupa "vaccination" sau "immunization" si nu am gasit nimic.
Si mai ales cum realizeaza vaccinarea reducerea populatiei

Sa vad unde ai gasit tu, desi nu ar fi nici prima nici ultima data cand dai copy/paste ca papagalul.

Deci ce zice documentul (nu aburelile conspirationiste):

13. If significant progress can be made in slowing population growth, the positive impact owth of GNP and per capita income will be significant. Moreover, economic and social progreess will probably contribute further to the decline in fertility rates.
14
High birth rates appear to stem primarily from:
a. inadequate information about and availability of means of fertility control;
b. inadequate motivation for reduced numbers of children combined with motivation
for many children resulting from still high infant and child mortality and need for
support in old age

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf

Chestia asta se poate vedea chiar la noi, in momentul in care taranul s-a mutat la oras, i s-a taiat deja cheful de facut copii, pentru ca avea deja un venit sigur, o pensie la fel, asistenta medicala, etc.
Motivatia pentru copii ca ajutor la batranete s-a diminuat drastic.

Paradoxal este ca nici nu trebuie sa traiasca foaaaarte bine (in stil Occidental) ca sa inchida robinetul la copii, cum se traia pe vremea lui Ceausescu sau chiar si anii de dupa, a fost suficient pentru o scadere masiva a natalitatii.

Dar ce le-a scapat a fost aceea ca cineva trebuia sa le plateasca pensiile, oameni, urmasii lor mai exact, nu cum se isteriza o tanti pe aici "noi am muncit pentru Stat, nu ne intereseaza de unde, Statul sa faca rost de bani pentru pensiile noastre" pentru ca Statul nu face minuni ca Moise se scoata bani din piatra seaca (adica un angajat nu poate sustine 3 pensionari sau cat o mai fi acum raportul) ba mai mult, iti si baga mana in buzunar, prioritar pentru bunastarea protipendandei politice.

Diavolul e destept, doar crestinii de suprafata sunt prosti si prostiti tare usor de numitul.

[antiecumenism]

http://nuvaccinurilor.blogspot.ro/20...noculeaza.html

Firma Merck a recunoscut ca inoculeaza virusi periculosi in vaccinuri

Firma Merck admite inocularea virusului cancerului- Divizia vaccinuri a farmaceuticii Merck, admite inocularea virusului cancerului prin intermediul vaccinurilor.
Zguduitorul interviu cenzurat, condus de omul de stiinta in istoria medicinei Edward Shroter pentru televiziunea publica din Boston WGBH si Blackwell Science, a fost taiat din cartea "The Healthy Century" din cauza continuturilor sale - admiterea ca Merck a injectat traditional virusul (SV40 si altii) in populatia din intreaga lume.
Acest filmat continut in documentarul "In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism" produs si creat liber de catre asociatiile de tutela a consumatorilor si de catre expertul in sanatate publica, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, caracterizeaza interviul celui mai mare expert in vaccinuri din lume, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, care explica de ce Merck a raspandit SIDA, leucemia si alte oribile plagi in lume: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU
In vaccinurile vandute lumii a treia s-a descoperit ca multe dintre acestea contineau hormonul B-hCG, un anti-fertil daca este introdus intr-un vaccin.
Curtea Suprema a Filipinelor a descoperit ca peste 3 milioane de fete si femei au facut aceste vaccinuri contaminate, la fel ca si in Nigeria, Thailanda, etc...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

[AlinB]

Ca de obicei antivaccinistul = minciunica la (cap) patrat.

SV40 nu a fost introdus intentionat in vaccinuri, ci a fost o problema de fabricatie descoperita destul de tarziu si nu exista studii care sa confirme ca ar produce cancer la om.

Nu e o chestiune secreta sau mai stiu eu ce, ci o problema arhicunoscuta in lumea medicala, dar cum antivaccinistul si omul de rand nu are cultura medicala, poate inghiti orice poveste.

Ca Minciunila si slujitorii lui stie cum sa intoarca lucrurile ca sa iasa pasienta cu "dezvaluiri naucitoare", "lucruri extrem de secret pe care tu, desteptul lumii, le afli in premiera pentru ca ai Internet si youtube", etc.


In detaliu, cum pacalesc papagali ca tine si ii fac si portavocea lor aici:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...40-and-cancer/

In any case, this appears to be the “money quote” that the antivaccine movement likes to cite:

Dr Edward Shorter: Tell me how you found SV40 and the polio vaccine.

Dr Maurice Hilleman: Well, that was at Merck. Yeah, I came to Merck. And uh, I was going to develop vaccines. And we had wild viruses in those days. You remember the wild monkey kidney viruses and so forth? And I finally after 6 months gave up and said that you cannot develop vaccines with these damn monkeys, we’re finished and if I can’t do something I’m going to quit, I’m not going to try it. So I went down to see Bill Mann at the zoo in Washington DC and I told Bill Mann, I said “look, I got a problem and I don’t know what the hell to do.” Bill Mann is a real bright guy. I said that these lousy monkeys are picking it up while being stored in the airports in transit, loading, offloading. He said, very simply, you go ahead and get your monkeys out of West Africa and get the African Green, bring them into Madrid unload them there, there is no other traffic there for animals, fly them into Philadelphia and pick them up. Or fly them into New York and pick them up, right off the airplane. So we brought African Greens in and I didn’t know we were importing the AIDS virus at the time.

Miscellaneous background voices:…(laughter)… it was you who introduced the AIDS virus into the country. Now we know! (laughter) This is the real story! (laughter) What Merck won’t do to develop a vaccine! (laughter).

If you listen to the actual interview (at around 2:15 in), you’ll see that it’s very clear that Hilleman, obviously aware of the conspiracy theories claiming that the AIDS virus derived from the virus used to make the early polio vaccine, was making a joke and that the people in the room during the interview realized it was a joke. That’s why they laughed. They were laughing at the conspiracy theorists. Those claims were clearly floating around in the mid-1980s, right at the height of the AIDS epidemic, before there was much in the way of effective treatment. So this part of the interview was cut from the show. One wonders how much else was cut from the show, given that generally only fractions of total footage make it into any documentary. (Remember Dr. Jay Gordon whining about how his extensive interview had been cut altogether from the PBS documentary The Vaccine War?) In any case, Shorter, hardly “hiding” the footage, deposited it all in the National Library of Medicine, where it is available to all. That’s how Horowitz found it and decided that Hilleman making jokes was “evidence” that he really did “bring the AIDS virus to the US,” as this post claims.

Virus 40.” It was the 40th simian virus that Hilleman had discovered, hence the name. The polio vaccines developed by Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin in the 1950s were made by growing the polio virus in kidney cells derived from Asian rhesus monkeys (hence the reference to monkey kidney cells). Salk’s polio vaccine was a killed vaccine, in which the viral particles were inactivated with formaldehyde and the killed virus injected to produce an antibody response against the polio virus that could prevent infection with live polio virus. It contained very little SV40, because the formaldehyde also inactivated SV40. Sabin’s virus, on the other hand, was a live virus vaccine and was more heavily contaminated with SV40.

In 1959, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health named Bernice Eddy noticed that monkey kidney cells were dying without obvious cause. (Note that she was also a critical player in the Cutter incident, in which she discovered that the vaccines manufactured by Cutter Laboratories had live polio virus in them.) She made extracts of the cells and injected them under the skin of 23 newborn hamsters; within nine months 20 of them developed large tumors. Meanwhile, Hilleman and his collaborator Ben Sweet isolated the virus responsible and found SV40 was found in both the Sabin and Salk vaccines. It didn’t help that Eddy had brought her findings to Dr. Joseph Smadel, chief of the NIH’s biologics division, who made a huge mistake and dismissed the tumors as harmless “lumps.”

By 1961, there was significant concern among U.S. Public Health Service officials, as it has been found that as many as one-third of polio vaccines were tainted. As a result, although there was no evidence at the time that SV40 was harmful to humans, it was ordered that manufacturers find a way to eliminate SV40 from all future vaccines, which they promptly did. New procedures were developed to neutralize any SV40 and SV40-free African green monkeys were then used to produce the bulk of the vaccine instead of rhesus monkeys (hence Hilleman’s reference to green monkeys in his interview). Showing that no good deed goes unpunished, conspiracy theorists latched on to the African green monkeys as the vector through which the AIDS virus was brought into the U.S. via the new polio vaccines (hence Hilleman’s joke about “importing the AIDS virus”). These actions were all well and good, but the government didn’t recall the contaminated vaccine stocks and did not notify the public, because, as Hilleman later recounted, government officials were worried about a panic that might jeopardize the vaccine program. In any case, by 1963, SV40 had been eliminated from the nation’s polio vaccine stock. However, millions of people had received the vaccine.

But does SV40 cause cancer in humans? In a word, as far as we can tell, no.

Even early on, there were indications that this was unlikely. First of all, followup studies demonstrated that while injecting SV40 would produce tumors, ingesting it did not. Other studies showed that children receiving Sabin’s oral polio vaccine did not develop antibodies to SV40, as one would expect if they were being exposed. SV40 apparently passed through children’s GI tracts without ever causing an SV40 infection.

[AlinB]

În prealabil postat de antiecumenism

In vaccinurile vandute lumii a treia s-a descoperit ca multe dintre acestea contineau hormonul B-hCG, un anti-fertil daca este introdus intr-un vaccin.
Curtea Suprema a Filipinelor a descoperit ca peste 3 milioane de fete si femei au facut aceste vaccinuri contaminate, la fel ca si in Nigeria, Thailanda, etc...

In ceea ce priveste "hormonul B-hCG" astept si studiul medical care dovedeste ca aceast contaminare (sigur nu cunosti sensul termenului dar poti sa te documentezi) a produs/produce infertilitate.

Asa cum si daca maninci o data pe saptamana peste "contaminat" cu mercur (adica are mercur dar in limite tolerabile de organism), nu inseamna ca peste un an, zeci, douazeci ramai fara nici un neuron.
Desi la unii se pare ca nu e nevoie neaparat de mercur sa se intample asta - varsta, lipsa exercitiului intelectual (mai usor sa urmezi decat sa analizezi) etc.